Radiolab: Inheritance - Mastering Rhetoric Radiolab: Inheritance Posted on February 26, 2013 by wlin4 So I listened to Radiolab's story on "Inheritance" which talks about genetics. The next stage, yes, no? JAD: It's off-limits. JAD: Thanks to Frances Champagne and Michael Meany and Sam Kean, who writes about Paul Kammerer in his book, The Violinist's Thumb. TRANSCRIPTS. I dont know. I just saw them as child abusers. I already knew that if I ever got a little girl, I was going to name her Destiny. And thats wrong [laughs].Thats not how it works. OLOV BYGREN: It was very interesting discovery. And I packed up my stuff, it's pretty much done. MICHAEL MEANEY: Yeah, it drifts into something like a shopping channel. CARL ZIMMER: Is your wife going to hear this? And he said, "Barbara, I'm not buying a school bus." Once a kid is born, their genetic fate is pretty much sealed. You're obviously a great mom, but that feels cold to me. I like you, I get the sense that there's a lot of warmth in you. She'll be two in January. Whole lifetime of stretching. ], [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: That's their choice, but the babies don't have a choice.]. So almost instantaneously, the mother's tongue has reached into the baby's brain cells. It's a very different kind of front line, where urgent work means moving slow, and time is marked out in tiny pre-planned steps. Darwin's theory would have said, you know, 90% of the toads are going to die. Well, the DNA, the RNA, micro-RNAs, histone. But what exactly. It's a guided audio tour through cities where Radiolab Ken Burns and others. LYNN PALTROW: The women who I've worked with, who've had a history of drug problems, aren't like the examples that she gives. If you start smoking when you're 10, 11 something like that, you end up having children with more problems. I mean, youre just youre saying a lot of things that are really impressive. Three of them ended up in other foster homes and seem to have done pretty well, but one of them DESTINY HARRIS: Okay, well of them, don't really know what happened to her. JAD: Stretching got into the baby. And Barbara is not offering that. Hosted by Jad Abumrad and Robert Krulwich, Radiolab is a " show about curiosity " that examines science, history, and philosophy to answer the big questions about life. There's going to be this massacre of toads and only a few lucky ones are going to survive. 01:04:34 - Once a kid is born, their genetic fate is pretty much sealed. I didn't see them as people. ROBERT: And to believe anything else, that's naive. Okay, well of them, don't really know what happened to her. Kammerer puts on a suit and he walks off into the mountains Outside Vienna on a Rocky mountain trail. PAT: And according to Barbara, the majority of the women she pays are white. They like to hang out in the water and the females like to lay eggs in the water. I'm not saying that these women are dogs but they're not acting any more responsible than a dog in heat. He was known for going around and giving, what he called, his big show lectures, where he would wow whole audiences of people. I think that's where Lamarck's ideas can be woven in and make some sense. PAT: But a year later, the social worker called again. ROBERT: According to Darwin, life and changes are ruled by chance. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: I mean, when you think of Kammerer, there was a report in science outlining a theory about how Kammerer's toads got these characteristics FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: that invoked these epigenetic inheritance and imprinted genes and it made it plausible. You must have internet access to do this). Were told. Now the Sweden story from our last segment left us both feeling a little strange. CARL ZIMMER: Around 1908, he started publishing all of these results. Like, mine are bigger, you know." And looking at these swings in fortune, Olov realized what he had here was Because with all this data, he and his team could follow families forward in time, through the generations. She's 20 months old. SAM KEAN: I should add too. Very easily. All right, I'll get in the water." Like Id be like, Weve got the keys, were gonna trash the house., Anyway, we think about that all the time and I was just talking to Lulu about that and she was just like, You know, theres a radiolab about this.. JAD: Because, you know, that Ive got these two kids, right? So he actually went to Vienna. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: Methyl groups are pretty sticky, they're hard to get off. But it failed. Stretching got into the baby. And one of them is called the thyroid system. His example with humans was a blacksmith. Catch up with new episodes and hear classics from our archive. And when it came time to mate, the males and the females, they would mate in the water. At the Vivarium, as the name suggests, they have live animals. CARL ZIMMER: And in1923, he actually comes to England. Then, Carl told us about this research that showed JAD: Well, he couldn't quite remember the details. She said, "Well, she's just beautiful and she has lips like a baby doll." This, of course, is Destiny. JAD: I want to start with a parental day dream for a second. He said, "If you were a boy, and you starve between the ages of 9 and 12, and then you went on to become a father, then a grandfather, your grandkids". SAM KEAN: Well, he thought it might have been an assistant trying to frame him because he was Jewish. He had one remaining midwife toad. PAT: A year later, she gets another call. I know I've been joking a lot in this interview, but I mean it with all that I am. And I think that no, I didn't plan on it but I wouldn't take her back for anything because she made me better. Radiolab: Parasites Transcript For copyright reasons we can't provide a transcript of the WNYC Radiolab feature on parasites. JAD: And very often, one of them will just go crashing into the DNA and it'll stick there like a barnacle or a glob of peanut butter. ROBERT: So what is the licking doing then? JAD: I know! JAD: Or did I somehow learn that? PEJK MALINOVSKI: Okay, I'm here. Mamaw was the one I'd come to see. PAT: You picked him up right from the hospital? Michael and Frances looked inside the brains of these rats and what they saw was that the rats who had been licked a lot as babies, they had more stuff in their head. SAM KEAN: Lamarck, Jean-Baptiste Lamarck. I'm graduating in December. MICHAEL MEANEY: What happens when moms lick their pups is that the pup beccomes aroused. Part 2 of our collaboration with Radiolab. All the babies I had seen and all the people that have called me to tell me about their babies that were damaged. Then 275 words will cost you $ 10, while 3 hours will cost you $ 50. PAT: Yeah. Oh, that's a lot of potatoes. Listen Jan 27, 2023 Birthstory A sperm, an egg, two wombs, four countries, and money. ROBERT: And there were from the beginning. ", PAT: In other words, "Could I pay women who have drug problems to stop having babies?". She was totally an oops kid. Its something I still think about all the time. That's how I've always looked at it. You picked him up right from the hospital? There was a newspaper called The Daily Express and they have these headlines that come out. She's somewhere, but it's not good from what we've heard. What does it look like? That's how we ended up with four of them. But it failed. What's he talking about? When they got another call from a social worker saying that same mother, Destiny's birth mother, had given birth to another child. LATIF: This is Radiolab. He thought that you could kind of engineer societies by changing the environment. 2K views almost 2 years ago 48:23 Love it or hate it, the freedom to say obnoxious and subversive things is the quintessence of what makes America America. And youre saying that part of the DNA is covered up? CARL ZIMMER: And he makes a very careful study of this hand. And she says oftentimes the women who want help have a really hard time finding it. How much of you will echo into the future and how much of you won't? JAD: So now, the genes can make the proteins that make the rats a good mom? JAD: Visited Kammerer's lab when Kammerer wasn't there. You know what they're going to go do with that money. So, the thought is, when those little boys in verkalix were really, really hungry, their hunger started a chemical process that reached all the way down to the DNA inside the boy's sperm. It would be wrong to think that they represent all women who use drugs while they're pregnant. JAD: They suddenly had to get by on a tiny fraction of the food that they were used to. BARBARA HARRIS: I mean, I'm married to a Black man. I'm going to graduate with honors and one day I'm going to be able to tell her, "Look, I did this. He actually coined the word biology, too. He's not even eating at all. JAD: Wait, when you say they can choose to be sterilized, you mean permanent? And the incredible thing is, those marks stick around. Just to be sure, we asked Frances Champagne what she thinks of this data. JAD: Thats just the cold logic of Darwinian evolution. Cause we were talking to science writer, Carl Zimmer, and he told us that back in the early 1900s, this tension between Lamarck and Darwin got extra tense. ROBERT: What do you mean? PAT: But at that point just two of the six boys were living at home, Brian and Rodney. A lot of times that's not the case. The neural chemical signal that gets activated during licking, is serotonin. Kalia came too. A little village? I guess retard. When Kammerer published his results initially, a bunch of scientists immediately began to say CARL ZIMMER: "Wait a minute, hold on here, it would be nice if life was like that but life isn't like that. SAM KEAN: And the key point is that it wasnt something inborn in them. That's what good rat mothers do, they lick their babies a lot. Destiny has, what, three brothers and sisters that also were raised with her? This is from 2002. I had asked for a newborn, so when the social worker called me, she said, "I have this cute little baby girl for you but she's eight months old. One parent stretching isnt going to do anything, see thats the bummer of Darwinian evolution. Right below the headlines says, "Scientist's great discovery which may change us all.". Okay, you want to say bye? Were less prone to diabetes. Its just That's just how I've always looked at it. His big idea, as you might know, is that what a person does in their lifetime could be directly passed to their kids. PAT: Barbara has this drawer in her desk. Because it would reflect badly on the Soviet state. And then, Michael just launched into this thing. OLOV BYGREN: The results are there. ROBERT: Cause we were talking to science writer, Carl Zimmer, and he told us that back in the early 1900s, this tension between Lamarck and Darwin got extra tense. Where we sought, they will find. Yes. She asked my opinion and that's what I'm giving. Yeah. [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: These people are paying millions of dollars to take care of your children!]. ROBERT: But luckily for the Vivarium and for our story, they had a guy. She was thinking Can I offer these women money to use birth control? And if you haven't, you can choose to have an IUD, or an implant put in which will last for several years. In this episode, originally aired in 2012, we put nature and nurture on a co Thats like, I mean, that seems like a thing that would be frightening. PAT: Watching this, I couldn't help but think that Destiny's very existence is probably the most interesting argument against what Barbara is doing. PAT: As Barbara made the rounds on the daytime talk shows, the reaction was split right down the middle. That's against the rules. His reputation was that he could get inside the mind of, say, a salamander and know just what it wanted to eat. So if they saw somebody who was starving as a kid in 1820, they could then see, "Well, when those people had children and grandchildren, did anything change? Your boys will first grow taller and taller for the next few years, and when they get to be about 9, 10 years old, they're going to stop growing just for a few years. It was just no baby should have to come into the world like that. Like, I mean, as far as positives can go, I think I hit the jackpot. It says, "Race of Supermen." At this really marvelous place called the Vivarium. So Barbara and her son got in the car and drove across town to the foster home where Destiny had been living for the past eight months. I'm Sam Kean's dad. I mean like, with the licking, is it a teaching thing where, you know, the babies become good mothers because FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: They've seen it and they've repeated the experience. The show in in the radiolab eye sky transcript of was interested in his life In And bring the eye Amount of long-distance Runners and they had a Radiolab podcast about it and they. You must have internet access to do this). JAD: His big idea, as you might know, is that what a person does in their lifetime could be directly passed to their kids. Over the past five years, if you look at our tax return. I mean, when you look at the records, you don't see huge spikes in mortality. Well, there was an expert on reptiles named G. Kingsley Noble. And then that baby would stretch and stretch, and it would give a little more stretching to its baby. In this episode, originally aired in 2012, we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and change not just our hearts and minds, but the basic biological blueprint that we pass on to future generations. You mean, if you had a starving grandfather, you would be a healthier boy for the because you had a starving grandfather? Listen Jan 20, 2023 And she told Barbara, "There's something you need to know about this baby.". And if you were eating a whole lot between 9 and 12, one-quarter. The results make it probable that our descendants will learn more quickly what we know well, will execute more easily what we have accomplished with great effort, will be able to withstand what injured us almost to the point of death. CARL ZIMMER: I just have to read this to you. CARL ZIMMER: She is nine. I guess retard. Harris says her program, children requiring a caring community, or CRACK], Can prevent thousands of unwanted births to drug-addicted women. ROBERT: Telling some genes to turn off now, other genes to turn on. SAM KEAN: And he would basically turn the heat way, way up in these aquariums until they had to go underwater. Barbara Harris says she's convinced more than a dozen women], Have accepted her offer to be sterilized in return for money.]. What a name, you've got to like this guy. So she told me Barbara had another baby and Did we want it? Once a kid is born, their genetic fate is pretty much sealed. Anyhow, so you got this guy, Paul Kammerer, who's good with animals. JAD: Because you begin with a mother's lick that ends up with a deep, deep change in the baby, not just the good, warm, fuzzy feeling, but a fundamental shift in who that baby is, and who that baby will be. ROBERT: You cant say that. Isaiah's in college and Taylor and Brandon, I met them at Barbara's house and they seemed to be fine. All rights reserved. Then she goes, "Oh wait, I didn't give birth to you. Including a particular amphibian that plays a very big part in this story. I think the Swedish data are really, really strong, and very reliable. SAM KEAN: Basically, the midwife toad has a strange habit for toads. CARL ZIMMER: She carries your kids for nine months and you're like, "That poor male toad.". ROBERT: Well, lets not get too excited too fast because we have a story to tell and this tale leaves me a little queasy. ROBERT: You mean, if you had a starving grandfather, you would be a healthier boy for the because you had a starving grandfather? She's 20 months old. I'm Carl Zimmer's daughter. One time, and I'm on flighter. 1908, he actually comes to England unwanted births to drug-addicted women married to a Black man they were to... 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